Despite Lancet Retraction, the Vaccine-Autism Controversy Remains

Wow - this is some faulty logic.

So, if people were wrong about autism not being wholly genetic (which is something I have not heard most scientists or doctors saying, but let's accept that for the sake of the argument), then couldnt they be wrong about vaccines too? I say we take that a step further - if they were wrong about that, couldn't they also be wrong to claim voodoo doesn't cause autism? Or fairies?

That is as specious as the following argument, that implies that since vaccines can cause symptom x, and kids with autism also often (but not always) present with symptom x, than vaccines can cause that too!

I understand that the debate will not end - neither will the creationism/evolution debate, nor will we ever make it so that everyone accepts that the world is older than 4k years, but that is not because science has not settled the issue.

Right. Simply because the onset of autism followed a vaccination means the former caused the latter. It's a silly argument. If my child got X the day after a vaccination, the vaccination is definitely to blame.

6 out of a population of 300 million. That's a 1 in 50 million chance. Simple coincidence? Yes.

The scientific community reached consensus regarding Wakefield's bad science and ethics violations years ago. It is sad that the Lancet put politics ahead of science delaying until now to put things right. But better late than never.

It is possible for the scientific community to reach consensus and not be entirely right. It is extremely unlikely for the scientific community to reach consensus and be entirely wrong.

Dr. Mercola is obviously a true believer. A true believer who skirts FDA "truthfulness in advertising" laws.

I agree with Dr. Mercola's suggestion that we should never stop asking questions, even when the medical/scientific community tells us the questions lack merit. As knowledge increases, the scientific community will evolve and at times reverse earlier decisions.
We are all infallible.

If the courts have ruled that vaccinations have cause encephalitis, encephalopathy, and seizure disorders, then by god, it must be so. You know, to hell with CT scans, I'm just going to go down to the courthouse the next time I get a headache.

Hey, folks, guess what? This isn't an objective medical opinion offered out of concern. Our buddy Mercola personally sells a load of "natural" products that he claims will replace actual scientific medicine.

Don't let him fool you - he's just another huckster playing concern troll, hoping to sow enough doubt that you'll buy his stuff instead of getting real medical care.

Wow, you people are really threatened by the assertion that vaccinations might not be entirely safe. I'm not going to venture a guess as to why (clearly your fragile egos won't accept data that doesn't fit into your perfect picture of the world), but let me ask this...

Can we get the appearance that they are unsafe, i.e., the complete protection of companies which make vaccinations from lawsuits out of the law books? If I thought that companies which make billions from vaccinations were actually accountable for 'mistakes', then I might not think there was a conflict of interest for the medical industry to find a link between vaccinations and chronic disease or 'accidental' death.

Wow Fred,
Do you work for the vaccine companies or just like to make completely invalid arguments? The author used substantial evidence showing vaccinations to be dangerous if given to a person having certain factors. Then you took his retrospective concern for a possible link towards autism and turned it into the evolutionism/creationism debate. This by all means deducts provable evidence into ancient beliefs. Do you understand how much strength and power the vaccination companies hold? Well, Mr. Nurtz, if you lived in the 1950’s, and you gained a small amount of weight, you were told by your family Doctor that you needed to start smoking cigarettes and that there were positively no side effects. This was despite a shockingly large amount of concerned citizens speaking up against the cigarette companies saying that they were a health hazard. Actually, until recently, the Supreme Court has finally started in on actions against the cigarette companies. Why did it take decades for them to start in against the cigarette companies? Why did healthcare take so long to decide against them? It’s because people don’t want to believe against the very thing that they were told was good for them all their lives. Like putting butter on a burn wound (ouch!). Therein lays your very own personal religion Mr. Nurtz. I believe in this debate you would stand firmly opposed any argument against the vaccination companies because once again there is proof that they have caused autistic symptoms in children. Look at the first case with the Supreme Court conceding to the parents of an Autistic child going against the vaccine companies. Then they threw a gag order on it and a guy from the CDC yells out at a press conference
“Vaccines do not cause autism!” It’s more than a little sketchy and quite hypocritical if you ask someone with a working brain. I guess in the end, you’ll have your own brand of creationism where you will hear the evidence when it suites your belief.

I was thinking if it is not thisimerol mercury that is the culprit in autism, then perhaps it is the chicken eggs themselves that is the culprit. In other words, if vaccines are made the new way not using chicken eggs, and continuing to use thisimerol, and the autism shows up, then it is proof that thisimerol is a culprit. while if the autism doesnt show up it is means that chicken eggs are a cause. however that is only true if the current belief that that thisimerol is the culprit in vaccine autism and there are only two possible causes. I suspect that the chicken egg medium may be a cause because there are often bad eggs. for example, last summer i cracked an egg in my frying pan and the white was actually red. I certainly didnt eat that fried egg, and i was curious as to what made it red. but since many eggs are infected with salmonella, then perhaps it is the interaction of salmonella with the vaccine that causes autism. or of course there is the thought that multiple vaccines such as the mmr may cause an overwhelming of the immune system, or an allergy to eggs by an infant can result in some reaction. shouldnt there be an allergy test on each infant before vaccination to see if there is an allergy? shouldnt experiments be done on rats designed to induce autism in them? this pronouncement about a definitive answer of no causality due to thisimerol should be scrutinized very carefully by researchers for any traces of sloppiness, and for reproducibility. I have done enough research to know that pronouncements in research are just self serving. it takes a long time to prove a theory, and generations to test and retest. in the mean time, variations in vaccine production should be created and documented with research instruments designed to test these variations for any noticible increase or decrease in incidence. only by making vaccines using different production variables will a definitive answer ever be found. I need to see this study before i give it my blessing, and so far, i havent even heard mention of how it is that the study absolves thisemerol.

Here's what you should all consider. Many of the vaccines we Americans push on our kids are made from culturing a weakened or dead virus in flesh that is unclean by biblical standards. The Almighty instructed Noah after the flood to not consume the flesh with the lifeblood still in it. Not to mention that these vaccines we've been receiving have been cultured in monkey flesh, swine flesh, legally aborted fetus flesh from two poor souls, hampster flesh and soon shark flesh, all unclean at least from Moses's time to when in ACTS of the Apostles they agreed to teach not to drink blood (but that gets lost in our current religious beliefs like honoring the Sabbath). When we don't understand things fully, like where Autism comes from, shouldn't we look to the Almighty's standards in scripture? Don't the three major faiths in the US respect the bible as inspired by our Creator? 30 years ago we didn't know about retro-viruses and their long periods of dormancy before the immune system could be decimated (like in the case of HIV). We don't even know if Autism is genetic. Well if it's eventually found to be, maybe one of those poor souls aborted, who's blood chord cells are harvested for culturing some of those vaccines, well what if they had the Autism gene? Then maybe, like with other retro-viruses crossing over from monkey cultured vaccines, then maybe, just maybe, some of the vaccines get contaminated by the cultured flesh. If you read the Rollingstone article from about 1989, you see that HIV may well have crossed over from monkeys by an American Doctor (Koprowski) developing a competing Polio vaccine by culturing in monkey kidney flesh, extracted from the monkey while alive (seemingly so the flesh would have enough life blood in it to allow the culturing to do its magic, and thus allowing the dreaded SIV virus to become HIV [AIDS]). That activity crossed a biblical line reaffirmed by the Creator Almighty and never retracted. Its the life blood we don't respect. And should we also continue so that animals so genetically similar to us humans, pigs, that we risk bringing over swine imuno viruses? Is anyone looking at the long term delayed impacts of vaccines? See how the industry has so strongly defended against the two independent theorists that suggested Koprowski's competing polio vaccination program in Africa may have unleashed AIDS on humans and then decide if you will wisely put your faith in the Almighty or in man. Thimerisol may have been a diversion to throw us off track. If I were to feel safe with any vaccine, it would be the egg cultured ones, because the eggs at least seem to have always been deemed clean (at least as long as they continue to use eggs from biblically clean birds and there is no life-blood in an egg).

"Despite Lancet Retraction, the Vaccine-Autism Controversy Remains"

Yes, because idiots still exist.

As a father of an Asperger child who received two vaccinations on the same day because the Doctor wanted to "catch him up" before his little sister was born, I believe I have the right to make a couple of obsevrations.

1) My son received two shots that were the equivelent of almost eighty times the safe limit of mercury when ingested in tuna. If the thirmesol containing mercury wasn't an issue or factor why do we still hear warnings from the CDC and the surgeon general concerning the grave health consequences of ingesting mercury?

We watched as our little boy, who began life with such promise, slowly sank into the unknown depths of autism. Maybe it wasn't the thirmesol but it made sense to us. What didn't make sense was how fast and how strong the medical "experts" raised up as one to proclaim that autism and mercury were totally unrelated, Hadn't exposure to mercury been responsible for the mental problems of thousands of people from Roman Emperors to European hatmakers? Why was the possibility that giving injections laced with mercury rejected so quickly, in most cases before any solid research was done

Our son is and will be fine, we went through some bad times during the early years, when we fought doctors, schools, insurance companies and ignorance trying to make the best life possible for our child we would sometimes be accused of being too concerned about money. But I can honestly say that financial gain or fear of financial disaster was never a factor in determining our actions. I wonder how many doctors , politicians and pharmasuetical companies involved in this issue could say the same.

And the Earth is flat. The anti-science folks should sit down and shut up.

Remember that we are the monkeys in this Pharma World. A health TV channel is reporting on this via internet TV ( LoggTV.com ) Its true we are the monkeys in this big conspiration and the goverment is part of this scheme.

ALL of chemistry is based on equilibrium equations, tradeoffs, and approximations. Most scientists know this, but many refuse to acknowledge that many “facts” are only theories and generalizations until proven wrong. In the case of a vaccine possibly precipitating the onset of autism, no sane scientist would say it cannot happen. Be it the vaccine production process, carrier/ buffer components, or the delivery methodology, all elements in a vaccination are variables with no absolutes. It is Probable that the vaccines do not Cause autism in the majority of autism cases. It is also Probable that some vaccination procedures Have Precipitated the development of autism. In the large majority of vaccinations, people have not developed adverse symptoms, but to say that in no case does this happen would be silly and stupid “science”.

The vaccine studies that "prove" that vaccines do not cause autism are like the fat lady who eats sweets. She eats pies, cookies, cakes, ice cream, and candies. She gives up eating caramels. Doesn't lose any weight. She moans and groans that she has proven again and again that sweets do not cause obesity because every time she gives up eating one food, she doesn't lose any weight.

Dr Andrew Moulden has connected ALL vaccines to autism and learning disabilities. He has done ample research. All vaccines cause ministrokes. You can watch his videos on youtube or his website brainguardmd.com

Also there is a new book out "The History of the Peanut Allergy Epidemic" by Heather Fraser.

Heather found out some interesting facts:

The WHO and FDA decided that refined peanut oil is GRAS and does not have to be listed on the package insert of vaccines or other pharmaceutical products.

If you want to know which vaccine contains peanut oil, you are not entitled to know because it is a protected trade secret.

1 in 125 of our vaccinated children have severe peanut allergies - they can go into an anaphylactic shock if they SMELL peanuts.

I want full disclosure of ALL pharmaceutical ingredients. How about you?